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Neo Nugget · Nov 10, 2009, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by own age myname

You don't get the point.

HOW MANY PEOPLE CHECK OUT REGINA'S JOURNAL?

Oh wait, only the kiss asses and a few stray people checking for info. They could of just put it as an announcement. Problem solved.

It was listed in more than just her journal. The November 5th game update on the website had some info on it as well.

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Halloween 2009
The Mad King's Steward will soon depart to serve his master, but he has one last word for all the brave souls willing to join the battle against Dhuum's minions.

Sure it wasn't a dead giveaway, but Anet doesn't publicly release the location of the Traveler every Monday either.

If people didn't see any of this information online, they could have also heard from it while in the game from players (all chat, guild chat, alliance chat).

Sir Cusfreak · Nov 10, 2009, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Regina's journal wasn't the only place to find it out, even.
ol' "Mad King Stewart" himself said he'd be going away soon.

UPDATE NOTES ftw.

When they say "he has a final word" maybe you shud go takl 2 da guy

The login announcement has NEVER been used to explain the details of one quest. Why would they start that now? It's dumb. That isnt what login announcements are for. There is more to the game than PvE questing, especially a quest that isnt even available in all campaigns. PvP'ers or factions-only folk need to see this on the login why?
These are the same people that were in town asking "wen da mad king come?' how much lnger???" 'cause they dont bother to check - the same folk I personally had crowded around the reaper for, "Six minutes - you said it starts in six minutes like 40 mins ago" the day the waiting game opened.

Read up, chum. (p)s

Kook~NBK~ · Nov 10, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by own age myname

You don't get the point.

HOW MANY PEOPLE CHECK OUT REGINA'S JOURNAL?

Oh wait, only the kiss asses and a few stray people checking for info. They could of just put it as an announcement. Problem solved.

I don't check out Regina's journal - don't even know where to find it. But I do keep up with things here on GW Guru, and I read the info given on the quest log, especially when it's a new quest, a quest that will only be available for a limited time, and a quest that's involved in out of the ordinary circumstances. And you know what? I knew that the Mad King's Steward wouldn't be sticking around for very long - the Mad King's invisible pony won't be grooming itself! Sometimes it pays off to not skip the text and go straight for the quest reward info.

As for the idea of putting something on the log-in screen: Experience teaches that there are tons of people who can't be bothered to read the announcements. The evidence for this is the QQ that pops up here and in-game because "no one told me!" when it was right there on the log-in screen to look at.

But a bigger part of the problem is that there are a lot of people here that are opting to assume that announcements - where ever they appear - say what they want the announcement to say. It's a lot less work than actually applying reading comprehension skills to what they're reading, and then appying common sense to gain the most benefit from what is offered.

Yes, A-Net made mistakes with this quest chain, but most of the misery that people are experiencing over this thing is self-inflicted.

Maker of the fallen · Nov 10, 2009, 11:13 PM // 23:13

lol I love how the people saying they had no clue about the quest, are well aware that he is gone already. Not to mention, they are complaining on one of the many places they could have found it. Ironic lolz

They told us, you didn't listen, don't blame them, 5k+100tot bags isn't worth the WaWaWa effort.

Fay Vert · Nov 10, 2009, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by P_A_A

Quest has been available for about a week. If you log twice a week you should have been able to get it.

More like four days actually, easily missed by many people.

Skyy High · Nov 10, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

I wonder how many casual players who log in once or twice a week completely missed this opportunity. Especially since they probably logged on more than normal for the haloween event anyway, which ended before this popped up.

As far as I know, this was not posted on any official notice, just forums and wiki chat, so yes, they could have done more here, there was no real atempt to let the player abse know of this.

How do they find out about stuff normally? If you don't care enough to take the 5 seconds to type /wiki after you see your game update to see if anything interesting changed (like, say, a quest NPC returned to town...), I don't see how you can blame ANet for not informing you about goings-on in GW. The official wiki is the primary source of information from the devs, and it's been that way for years now; it's time people got used to that. It's way easier to update a wiki page than it is the log-in announcements...not that people actually read the log-in announcements anyway.

Oh, and anyone with their panties up in a bunch about this who's even a moderately regular poster on this or any other forum is a bloody moron. You knew about the quest, you know where to get information about the quest, and you surely should have known that the quest giver was leaving "soon". If that didn't scream "get this quest now" to you, you deserve to miss the quest.

IlikeGW · Nov 10, 2009, 11:34 PM // 23:34

"The official wiki is the primary source of information from the devs"

They've never used the wiki to explain how an event works or the requirements of taking a part in one. Understandably so, that would be pointless. They have a website which serves the purpose when they use the update notes properly, which they did before this. That they can't be arsed to do that right anymore speaks volumes for where GW1 is while they work on GW2.

Fay Vert · Nov 11, 2009, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

How do they find out about stuff normally? If you don't care enough to take the 5 seconds to type /wiki after you see your game update to see if anything interesting changed (like, say, a quest NPC returned to town...), I don't see how you can blame ANet for not informing you about goings-on in GW. The official wiki is the primary source of information from the devs, and it's been that way for years now; it's time people got used to that. It's way easier to update a wiki page than it is the log-in announcements...not that people actually read the log-in announcements anyway.

Oh, and anyone with their panties up in a bunch about this who's even a moderately regular poster on this or any other forum is a bloody moron. You knew about the quest, you know where to get information about the quest, and you surely should have known that the quest giver was leaving "soon". If that didn't scream "get this quest now" to you, you deserve to miss the quest.

News flash for you

I GOT THE QUEST, I AM ALRIGHT

Why is the community turning so damned selfish, why can't anyone think about anything but themselves for once? Why can't you get it that the VAST majority of players simply play the game and doesn't have time to follow the wiki/forums. How does a NORMAL player get to find out about this. This was a Haloween quest that didn't appear until after the event had ended and was then removed shortly afterwards.

Why can't you get this? Too damned selfish is why.

own age myname · Nov 11, 2009, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

News flash for you

I GOT THE QUEST, I AM ALRIGHT

Why is the community turning so damned selfish, why can't anyone think about anything but themselves for once? Why can't you get it that the VAST majority of players simply play the game and doesn't have time to follow the wiki/forums. How does a NORMAL player get to find out about this. This was a Haloween quest that didn't appear until after the event had ended and was then removed shortly afterwards.

Why can't you get this? Too damned selfish is why.

I was about to type something like this, but Fay summed up what I think. Good post.

Reflect · Nov 11, 2009, 12:17 AM // 00:17

1st fail:The Quest was supposed for halloween, not week after that.
2nd fail:No Literal mentioning that the npc will be removed, before we can do its quest..it should have be announced with the update.
3rd fail:Anet refuse to say they made a mistake and learn from it.

smilingscar · Nov 11, 2009, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Why is the community turning so damned selfish, why can't anyone think about anything but themselves for once? Why can't you get it that the VAST majority of players simply play the game and doesn't have time to follow the wiki/forums. How does a NORMAL player get to find out about this. This was a Haloween quest that didn't appear until after the event had ended and was then removed shortly afterwards.

Why can't you get this? Too damned selfish is why.

No we are not too selfish. I, for one, understand that probably a lot of people did not get this quest. I simply happen to think it does not matter whether anyone gets the quest. It's one quest. Most likely, the content from the quest (fighting Dhuum) will be available without the quest to prevent uwsc. Thus for the casual gamer who isn't going to cry about missing some ToT bags, this quest probably means nothing.

Remember how, when they describe GW2, they said they wanted to introduce event system where new quests/challenges would suddenly happen in the world/instance? Remember how cool that sounded? This is it.

I have some sympathy for the casual gamer who missed this, but if they're really a casual gamer they won't care that much because, well, they aren't into the game to be more than casual. I have no sympathy for anyone on guru because they should know how to get information if they want it.

Kakumei · Nov 11, 2009, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Anyone defending Anet's incredible lack of communication in this matter is pretty retarded. Even Blizzard is more open about their plans and mistakes than this, and that's saying a lot.

Anduin · Nov 11, 2009, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by smilingscar

Remember how, when they describe GW2, they said they wanted to introduce event system where new quests/challenges would suddenly happen in the world/instance? Remember how cool that sounded? This is it.

Actually, that doesn't sound cool to me at all. As a "completist", I like doing absolutely everything, so this is a nightmare to me, and another reason why I am not buying the sequel.

But, continue to feel free to speak for me, 'cause obviously you know me so well.

Kurald Galain · Nov 11, 2009, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Anduin

Actually, that doesn't sound cool to me at all. As a "completist", I like doing absolutely everything, so this is a nightmare to me, and another reason why I am not buying the sequel.

But, continue to feel free to speak for me, 'cause obviously you know me so well.

I doubt those events will be one time only like this quest is... more like they happen every so often depending on how the players in a certain area act. That's how i understood it at least.

zelgadissan · Nov 11, 2009, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by Reflect

1st fail:The Quest was supposed for halloween, not week after that.

Source? The closest thing I see is from Regina's journal that mentions the Steward being pulled away on Nov. 2 and would return the next day. It says nothing that this wasn't designed for after the fact.

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2nd fail:No Literal mentioning that the npc will be removed, before we can do its quest..it should have be announced with the update.

"The Mad King's Steward will soon depart to serve his master, but he has one last word for all the brave souls willing to join the battle against Dhuum's minions." Regina also mentioned the waiting for the quest would be days. How much more literal can you get?

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3rd fail:Anet refuse to say they made a mistake and learn from it.

Until source is given for "1st fail", I don't see how this was a mistake.

Anyway, I can see I'm in the minority on this, so I'm done here, everybody enjoy your raging.

GloryFox · Nov 11, 2009, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Gotta love how people devalue the threads into science court.

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posted by zelgadissan
Until source is given for "1st fail", I don't see how this was a mistake.

Res ipsa loquitur, is a valued form of evidence, "The thing speaks for itself."

If it looks like a Halloween quest, given as a Halloween quest, by a Halloween NPC, given as quest number 4 of a series of Halloween quests, it's probably a Halloween quest. This gives value to those upset that they cannot do the Halloween quest EVEN IF quest giver appeared after the end of Halloween.

On the face value of evidence, Reflect, has a valid point.

HawkofStorms · Nov 11, 2009, 02:57 AM // 02:57

Given... after Halloween is already over.

And we have no proof that wasn't the plan all along.

Jaskaran · Nov 11, 2009, 03:06 AM // 03:06

i don't get it.... if Anet did mess up why don't they just quickly make a sloppy model for Dhuum, than edit the textures/models for any area.. and boom you have a shitty dhuum boss and quest.... literally if they just went with this way everyone would doubt they made a mistake..

HawkofStorms · Nov 11, 2009, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Exactly. There are 2 options here.

1) This is not a mistake and was planned to be this way all along.

2) This was an error and was supposed to be done sooner.
Of course... if it was in error and option 2) they could have done 2 options
a) Done what they've done now to ensure the final quest is working properly and is really kickass
b) Done a rush job and released something nobody would have liked

shoyon456 · Nov 11, 2009, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Its not so much whether or not the quest should have been done sooner or not or w/e. It's the lack of communication. The fact that they do not open a direct dialogue with players via the website and state their intentions and goals clearly for all has long been a problem with Anet.

The problem is
1) they only let people know via an obscure wiki page relatively little of the playerbase visits to get this quest while you can
2) they did not give specific dates upon each quest would be available, the last quest is only a huge exaggeration of this problem
3) we really don't know if any of these changes will be permanent, if it will just be a boss/quest with no new rewards, etc... they could surprise us with new rewards but frankly id like a candid answer and not a carrot-on-a-stick.